7.5-CM LIGHT INFANTRY HOWITZER

Kris · 7.5-CM LIGHT INFANTRY HOWITZER

Im am looking for a 7.5-CM LIGHT INFANTRY HOWITZER.
can anyone help? Question

andyf

I am looking to see one let alone buy one. There are not alot of them about, and i wouldn't like to know how much one would cost.

admin

If you find one that is not deactivated i.e. still live it can be put onto a Section 1 Firearms certificate. I can rig it for pyro firing.

Kris

Is this the right one????????????/

http://www.winsett.com/howitzer/

admin

That is the one. Very sort after. You do realise it's Allied.

andyf

and you have to add import tax ont the price plus shipping...Your dad might have to do a bit more overtime Razz

Kris

Would it do for German

admin

I have a book with all captured weapons used by the Wehrmacht, I'll check it out and get back to you.

Kris

Would this do in sted??

Rare find 1945, 105mm Swiss Field Gun. £4,950

Or this??

1927 Russian / German Pak. Howizer. £3,750

andyf

Can i have a saturday job that pays as much as you get kris Shocked

Kris

I asked which one is best?????
Question

Ropes

Kris

admin

Toe honest either of those would be more Wehrmaht mate.

Ropes

Did the gebirgs ever have nebels? or a version of?

andyf

I don't think they did

admin

Kris,
To answer your question neither of those gun would have been used by the Gebirgs but both could have been used by the German army.

The Russian gun is the one that would have been used on the Eastern front, I can be almost sure that it would have been used as captured weapon. There are 2 x types of 76.2mm 1927 model. A shot barreled and a slightly longer one.

The Swiss gun is the better quality and more 'germanic' and very similar to German guns of the era but there is some doubt that the Swiss would have let the Germans use them at all. They were neutral after all.

Are you thinking of getting some artillery?

Kris

barry

Can I share your dad It's nearly Christmas Question

I only want a jeep Rolling Eyes

Ropes

admin

Some arty would be great. Remember transporting it around has to be concidered but I'm sure your Dad is on the case Very Happy

Kris

if i can find one of the Gebirgsjäger artillery. It can be desasembeld an put in the car bit by bit.

Its finding them.

Jacko

Are you on heavy medication you haven't told us about?
or are you really that well off?
-perhaps can the group send you/your dad our christmas wish letters instead of sending them to santa! hehe!
I hope if you source the artillery piece of your choice your dads volvo suspension will cope with that and the rest of your completed gebirg loadout and extras.
Enjoy sourcing what you desire and I look forward to seeing whatever you get at the next round of events.

Kris

this is what in mind K10
http://www.lovettartillery.com/70mm_St_Chamond_Mountain_Howitzer.html

Jacko

Although its not priced..i get the feeling its going to be silly money. Also if you dont mind me saying isnt there 'more portable' personal items you want get together first to complete your Gebirg/German ww2 impression that in comparision would be cheaper and not need your Dad to cart around. If your well off enough to afford artillery pieces why not wait until you can drive and get both the artillery and the vehicle to tow it. But all the same good luck in your quest.

Ropes

Hmm I dunno chris. Not being funny but you could get some seriuosly nice kit for the price of an artillery piece. Also With Artillery its going to be a Proper nightmare getting it back and forth to shows. Id rather have somthing slung over my shoulder that makes people stop and say " feck me mate is that a real one" rather than being sat infront of a canon all day (but thats just me).

admin

Kris, you would need to tow that with a trailer, not a very large one but honestly you wouldn't get it in Paul's car. They really are heavy, even the barrel assembly will be a four man lift, at least.

If you and your Dad want to get an arty piece then that is up to you guys. As with any genuine kit it will never be worth less than you payed for it. I'm sure a cannon is more of an eye catcher. As for being sat infront of a cannon all day you can walk away from it and be sure it's not going to be picked up and theived unlike a more portable item. Laughing

mick nick

Kris it can be done if you have a mind to do it. I have built several English civil war cannons the last on had a barrel length of 7ft and weighed 1 metric ton with out its limber I took it to shows on a trailer with a winch fitted on the trailer. The barrel was made and proofed by a gun smith. This was only medium sized compared to some cannon. So it can be done, it up to you and as been said the public do like to stop and look (I sold the cannon and bought a bike as I am more in to WW2 now) Very Happy

Kris

would there still be blue prints for the cannons held by the manufacturer or by the patent office?

mick nick

The artillery museum was helpful when we were looking round for information they have a good library so was fort Nelson. I do not know if they have any information on World War 2 artillery though. You could try the Imperial war museum they have a large collection of artillery. I hope this helps Exclamation

Kris

7.5 cm Gebirgsinfanteriegeschütz 18

German designation 7.5cm leGebIG 18
Calibre 75mm
Length of piece (L/11. Cool

; 885mm
Length of barrel 783mm
Length of rifling 674mm
Weight travelling 410 kg
Weight in action 440 kg
Traverse 35o
Elevation -10o to + 73o30'
Muzzle velocity 221 m/sec
Shell weight 5.45 kg
Maximum range (normal charge only): 3550m
Rate of fire 8-12 rpm
Barrel life 10,000-12,000 rounds
Original designers Rheinmetall-Borsig AG, Düsseldorf
Manufacturers Böhm. Waffenfabrik, Strakonitz, Habämfa, Ammendorf/Halle

Remarks: Basic leIG 18 modified for mountain service. Development started during 1935 and production commenced in 1937.
Intended as temporary equipment until service debut of GebG 36 but remained in service untill end of WW 2. Could be broken down in 10 loads for manual pack transport or 6 loads for animal transport. A sled was an optional firing carriage.

admin

Good info find Kris.

Less than 500kg is light! You could put it on my jeep or Andy's Zundapp for crying out loud Laughing

Are you thinking of having one made? To have one made will be VERY expensive. Even if it was all cast, then assembled it would be a lot of work and man hours.

When I was doing 18th Cent we looked at getting some barrels cast and it was cost prohibitive. Also there is the firearms cert to think of or even how to make sure it not on ticket.

I hope you find one at the right price, that looks good.

barry

make it stop

jonboy

Jacko

This plan is a bit mad. You have been given lots of advice by those who know well and of course it is entirely up to you how you (and your Dad) spend your (Dads) money. But, not only are there substantial financial aspects, you face logistical difficulties with storing and transporting an artillery piece, together with the potential serious legal issues.

However and perhaps more importantly, as Ropes has already pointed out, being part of a living history group, you and your Dad surely must both have other higher priorities/wish list for Gebirg/ wehrmacht kit ready for the next season of shows. Which must be easier/faster for you to obtain if funds are no object. Such as a greatcoat, HBTs, gebirg smock, helmet, splinter zeltbahn, webbing items etc, not forgetting all the bits that add nice touches to your load out and display like dog tags, Grosse rucksack, mess tins/esbit stove, gambock pin, knife fork spoon, binoculars, period labelled packets etc etc. To add, your Dads load out needs essential things like boots, head wear and greatcoat etc. Sourcing and obtaining items for load outs can of course take time but is rewarding. I think putting the effort into getting it together and making a loadout ‘special’ or more personal is one of best parts about being a militaria collector and being involved in a living history group. It also means you totally look and feel the part when the wartime living history is ‘on display’ in front of the public -who can be very critical.

Good luck with whatever avenue you wish to explore. Keep taking the medication lol!

See you at the shows

jonboy

peiper

Hi lads

There's a good book which is a usefull source of info on Gebirgs equipment and weapons :
Weapons and Equipment of the German Mountain Troops in World War 2 by Roland Kaltenegger
There is a list of photo's and information which is usefull and a section on Artillery used by the Gebirgs such as Mountain Howitzer's, Gebirgskanone's and Gebirgsgeschutze Mountain guns.
It seems the larger calibre/heavier guns were used behind the lines or on plains/battlefields etc, the smaller mountain guns which could be dismantled were used by the climbers themselves.
These were as previously stated "dismantled" and the pieces shared out amongst the men of the company/platoon so it could be carried easier when climbing.
(The larger pieces/bits would be hoisted up using pulleys/winches etc)

If you are thinking of purchasing an Artillery piece to be used in our reenactment displays Kris i suggest a smaller calibre which would be in keeping with our portrayment as a Gebirgs climbing Unit.

Regards Peiper

peiper

Hi lads

Here's some pics ive found of Gebirgs transporting smaller calibre Mountain guns up into the peaks:
(see below)

(Using pulley's)

(By mule)

(By sledge)

Regards Peiper

peiper

Here's some pics of the smaller mountain gun ready for action:
(see below)

(In the snow)

(On guard)

Regards Peiper

barry

Ropes

jonboy

mick nick

admin

peiper

jonboy

Jacko

Pokey-poke-poke!
WAKE UP Barry! or have you got the horn hiding under the covers....it must be all this mad talk of large weapons and Y straps...